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 Hello guys,
         I am in South Carolina. and we are seeing more and more coyotes.I have taken a few with my deer rifle while deer hunting.Me and my boy are thinking of seting up and doing some calling and was wondering what you guys thought the best cartridge was for hunting up to 250yards.I do own a remington 700 adl 22-250 with a bushnell banner varmint scope.Is this what we need to be using or what are you guys feedback on this?Thanks for information guys!

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The 22-250 is an excelent choice for coyote at 250 yards and beyond. I woulld recommend a 50 or 55 grain pill. Might I suggest taking a shotgun if your hunting thick stuff. I myself live out west where a guy hunting coyote might be taking shots at a much greater distance. I use a .223 WSSM, 55 grain Sierra BTHP, slowed down to around 3700. I have taken coyote out to 421 (paced off) yards. But don't get me wrong, the 22-250 is ledgendary in the coyote hunting society. My .223 WSSM mimics the 22-250 at the faster end. You never mentioned your scope magnification, most varmint scopes start at around 6 power, this would be a high magnification for coyote, and I would hunt with the scope on that setting. Coyotes have a tendency to pop up at your feet, when calling them in, so keep the magnification low, you can alway dial it up when the critter is farther out. Good luck, and enjoy the fresh air.......

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 Thanks for the reply coyote inc.I just joined here and I am very eager to learn all I can on varmit hunting.I have hunted whitetail deer for over 20 years and I am always a sucker for a good hunt nomater what I hunt.I just like to put the animal down as quick as possible.I havent seen the 223wsm.How do you like it? Again thanks for the reply!And happy huntin! Here are a couple of our varmints(whitetails)I got last year.(Colt 7mm)

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I use a Savage 22/250 with a Bushnell Banner 6-26X40 Mil Dot.
Perfect recipe for coyotes.   nod.gif

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How is that scope, Fat? Like it?

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Fat NDN wrote:

I use a Savage 22/250 with a Bushnell Banner 6-26X40 Mil Dot.
Perfect recipe for coyotes.   nod.gif



 What model of savage do you have Fat NDN?I have been looking atn the model 12 savage in the 22-250.But a freind of mine just bought a used savage model? in a ruger204 and says it is very accurate.



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I use a Savage 22/250 with a Bushnell Banner 6-26X40 Mil Dot.
Perfect recipe for coyotes.   nod.gif



 What model of savage do you have Fat NDN?I have been looking atn the model 12 savage in the 22-250.But a freind of mine just bought a used savage model? in a ruger204 and says it is very accurate.





Started out as a Model 11 Synthetic. Painted camo,and it was sucessful last year. then Changed stock to a Boyds' Ross Thumb hole in a nut meg color.  I like the way it shot, but I lost some accuracy. With the old stock it shot 3/8" groups at 100 and 200 yds. With the thumbhole stock it shots 1/2" at 200yds and 1/4" at 100 yds.







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How is that scope, Fat? Like it?




I as using a Bushnell Elite 3200 10X40  mil dot, but I wanted a little more magnification, so I changed to the 6-24X40 Banner. It is a great scope, especially durning early morning and late evening hunts , the light gathering ability works great.



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Fat NDN,
   That thumbhole stock looked like a nice feeling stock.You say it did make th rifle less accurate?

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Fat NDN,
   That thumbhole stock looked like a nice feeling stock.You say it did make th rifle less accurate?



Yeah, when I first got the stock I didn't check it too good and at the range the 1st time, it shot 3" groups @ 1oo. After seeing that the pillars were below the wood, I decided toe bed the stock. Doing that made a huge difference. Now my groups are .32" @ 100 and .50" @ 200. I think that is Coyote Deadly.



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Fat NDN,
      Is doing this stuff need to be done by a gunsmith or is this something I could do?I do construction work,we build our own custom cabinets.We just dont have the machines to make the raise panel doors and if the customer wants them we have someone else to do it.(After seeing that the pillars were below the wood, I decided toe bed the stock.)I have been around guns all my life and I dont know what these things are.I always wished I had took some type of gunsmithing corse.I really like to here what folks do to make a rifle perform better.I bet that rifle is just that accurate also.I guess God just didnt intend me to be a gunsmith but I think gunsmithing would be kind cool.smile

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smokepole - You might want to check out AGI . They have DVD's and VHS's Armorers Courses on many makes and models , also glass bedding , trigger jobs,ect.Their web site is www.americangunsmith.com  
If you want to start working on your own guns it's a good place to start.They also have complete gunsmithing course.

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PCJ,
   Thanks for the info!I have already visited the site and looks to be pretty neat.90% of my rifles are Remington 700 action.biggrin

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well i am having good results with my 223 ackley using 55gr v-max and 26 gr h4895 i know it will take out foxs upto 250 yrd's no probs  the only thing is there can de a bit of fur damage and i know how you can sell pelts over there but here they are worthless ,this rifle shoots flatter than the old remi 223 which the ackley was blue printed from,i know the coyote is a bigger varmint to drop and i have no experience in shooting coyotes so dont know how it would perform on bigger varmints

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223Ackimp,
   You would have no problem.2006 deer season was waiting on a big buck when here comes a coyote the size of a german shepard.I aimed for the head with 7mm rem mag.Darn near blew his head off.LOL But I have shot several with a 22-250 and put them right down also.My son is 10 years old and always asking about cartridges.How far how strong.I asked him last night which would kill him faster a train or a bazoka?I told him either one he wouldnt know the diffrence!LOL

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well i am having good results with my 223 ackley using 55gr v-max and 26 gr h4895 i know it will take out foxs upto 250 yrd's no probs  the only thing is there can de a bit of fur damage and i know how you can sell pelts over there but here they are worthless ,this rifle shoots flatter than the old remi 223 which the ackley was blue printed from,i know the coyote is a bigger varmint to drop and i have no experience in shooting coyotes so dont know how it would perform on bigger varmints







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Fat NDN,
      Is doing this stuff need to be done by a gunsmith or is this something I could do?I do construction work,we build our own custom cabinets.We just dont have the machines to make the raise panel doors and if the customer wants them we have someone else to do it.(After seeing that the pillars were below the wood, I decided toe bed the stock.)I have been around guns all my life and I dont know what these things are.I always wished I had took some type of gunsmithing corse.I really like to here what folks do to make a rifle perform better.I bet that rifle is just that accurate also.I guess God just didnt intend me to be a gunsmith but I think gunsmithing would be kind cool.smile



The Pillars are tubes that are epoxied in the action bolt holes, so that when you tighten the action bolts/screws, they tighten against metal and not wood/plastic. You put a bedding compound such as Accru-Glass atround the pillars and where ever action sits in the stock. I also bed Forward of the front action screw under the chamber. All this prevents the gun moving when the stock moves due to humidy or temperture. It make the gun shoot more consistant.



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Fat NDA,
I was scared I would mess something up so I took your advice and carried to the closes gander mountain(Fayetteville,NC)It was like 98 miles from me but if it helps the rifle and does a good job it will be worth it all.I thought that having gunsmithing done to it would be so expensive but the prices were alot less than I thought.

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204 for shot's to 300YD's, Then you get out the 220 SWIFT, if it's real windy the 257 STW

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Use what you have Smokepole ..... you will do just fine with your 22-250.

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700 VSF 22-250, Leupold VX II 6-18 AO Target. Good to as far as I am able to shoot.

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Smokepole, I met a fellow in Arizona a couple years ago that used a Savage ( don't remember the model) and used 55gr. coated bullets. He shot yotes off his offel dump at a lazer range of 400yds. right next to the dump site, he hung a 6" steel dick to check his scope. When I last talked to him, he had 12 yotes with 13 shots.

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I am using a Rem 700 Varmint 26" bbl in .243 Using 70gr Moly Coated Sierra BTHP Match.
Rifle has a Tasco Ultra 8-24x50AO with target turrets and dot reticle. Shoots .3's at 100yds.
Took a coyote at 300 yds and he didn't feel a thing. This has to be the high light of my varmint career so far. Sat beside a round bale of hay with a fox tail on a stick blowing in the breeze for a lure. It worked!! Saw him before he saw me and planted him with one shot on the shoulder. Heavy chicken-fed, healthy, male.

Have also a Win Model 70 Coyote in .22-250. This has to be my favorite woodchuck gun. Heavy stainless barrel 24" with laminate stock 6-18x50AO scope. Great walking varminter.
Have taken alot last year. Have not been able to this year yet due to hip replacement surgery in Aug. Hope to get out to get late season pasture pigs after soy beans come off!

Good luck to all of you. Want ed to let you know that I believe in gun control. I believe you should be able to hit what you aim at!

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Fat NDN,
      Is doing this stuff need to be done by a gunsmith or is this something I could do?I do construction work,we build our own custom cabinets.We just dont have the machines to make the raise panel doors and if the customer wants them we have someone else to do it.(After seeing that the pillars were below the wood, I decided toe bed the stock.)I have been around guns all my life and I dont know what these things are.I always wished I had took some type of gunsmithing corse.I really like to here what folks do to make a rifle perform better.I bet that rifle is just that accurate also.I guess God just didnt intend me to be a gunsmith but I think gunsmithing would be kind cool.smile



I did everything myself. Not a lot to it. On the Ross stock I had to inlet around the trigger a little since it was not designed for accutrigger. And the bedding kit comes with instructions, very easy.



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I live in Greenvile Im starting to do some gunsmithing would love to help

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I am using a Rem 700 Varmint 26" bbl in .243 Using 70gr Moly Coated Sierra BTHP Match.
Rifle has a Tasco Ultra 8-24x50AO with target turrets and dot reticle. Shoots .3's at 100yds.
Took a coyote at 300 yds and he didn't feel a thing. This has to be the high light of my varmint career so far. Sat beside a round bale of hay with a fox tail on a stick blowing in the breeze for a lure. It worked!! Saw him before he saw me and planted him with one shot on the shoulder. Heavy chicken-fed, healthy, male.

Have also a Win Model 70 Coyote in .22-250. This has to be my favorite woodchuck gun. Heavy stainless barrel 24" with laminate stock 6-18x50AO scope. Great walking varminter.
Have taken alot last year. Have not been able to this year yet due to hip replacement surgery in Aug. Hope to get out to get late season pasture pigs after soy beans come off!

Good luck to all of you. Want ed to let you know that I believe in gun control. I believe you should be able to hit what you aim at!



btar57,
   How do you like that Tasco Ultra 8-24x50AO? I was beginning to think all the tasco's were made in china now.Were did you get yours?Thanks!smile



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I live in Greenvile Im starting to do some gunsmithing would love to help



got lucky,
     How did you learn most of your gunsmithing?Hands on or apprentice or from reading?I would like to learn more.I just know enough to be dangerous!LOLbiggrin



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I started out watching a friend that smithed for the navy. when he retired he worked for hart. I watched him work on my first gun, helped with the second, the third one i did all the work but he kept a close eye on me. I'v bought several books.  And trial and error on some junk guns. I dont have a lath so all my work has to be with barrels prethreaded and short chambered. the rest I can do.

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Hands on is the best way to learn I feel like!
Do the barrels come prechambered?Or is that something you have to have a machine to do being a gunsmith?

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withou a lathe, his barrels have to come short chambered.

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well, did we find the best all around super duper tack driving 250 yard coyote gun yet??  what if ya wanted to shoot at 150 yards??

hmmmm..my question to this dilemma is how much do we want to spend?
do you want hides / furs?

I think a lighter rifle is in order. since you have to carry it to many stands / sets.

a quality scope would be good of lets say 3.5 X 10 with a larger objective (helps spot them quicker)

a fast moving bullet is good.

a synthetic stock would be good, might get wet from snow, sleet, rain ect.

every thing on it camoed with non glare paint.

as for the caliber..many come to mind that would be just fine to punch ole mr. coyotes lights out at 250 yards.

.223 ackly improved would be good, 22-250 would be good, 243. would be good, .243 ackly improved would be good. 6mm rem mag would be good,
220 swift would be good. .225 winchester would be good. heck there are a slew of new short mags and ultra mags that would be good I guess.I have not used them so I stick with what will work that I have tried.

good luck and let us know what you bought..

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Kyote,
I bought a RRA AR4 223 but hadn't shot any yotes yet.I have killed a bunch with my 7mm while deer hunting and also killed a buch with a 270.The only thing is it does a real number on the hides!LOL

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smoke pole, I am sure you will shoot some coyotes,just have to get after them.
sounds like a fine coyote dispatching machine you bought. great for pack attacks..lol.

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I use a 20" barreled AR with an Eotech scope......works nice on yotes out too 300 yds no problem.

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Thanks Kyote!

Orddy,
   Never herd tell of one them Eotech scopes.Were did ya get it from and what is the magnification?Thankssmile



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Hi Smoke
Bedding a 700 is not difficult at all. I have used Brownell's stuff for many years and it has always worked well for me. Make sure you follow the instructions. The point I want to make however is the matter of torquing the stock screws. They should both be torqued @ 55 to 65 inchpounds. Start with the front screw first. You may have to play with the torque from 55 up to 65 inchpounds one pound at the time and find out which works best for you. Good luck
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MEOWNOMORE,
My rifle has an aluimnum block in the stock will that affect bedding it?Also the rifle shot great 3 months ago and all the time b4 that.What could have happened to it to cause the groups to get so much larger when not that many rounds(220 or had even been shot threw it or less) Also what do you use when torquing the stock or action screws?Thanks

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I just got this torque screw driver not that long ago. The nice thing about it is that you can play around with it at the range and find out which torque your gun likes best.
I picked it up at a gun shop but for the life of it i can't remember the name. I guess the best part of it is the repeatability of torqueing your guns.

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I can't help you with the aluminum bedding block. Me thinks you shouldn't have to bed it.

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Not that it would be my #1 choice but my son in law informed me last night that he BLEW up a coyote at 250 yards with a .338 winmag. He is shooting a 225 grain SST @ 2800 fps. I just happen to know where that ammo came from.

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In my experince you can and should bed over the top of an bedding block.  It just helps with stability and many HS stocks come with some of the coloring over the back tang block.  22-250 is a great cartrage out to 250 yards you may want to use a 60 grain Nosler partition when you get streched out there to make sure you get them anchored though.  I currently haven't had any problems with the 55 vmax though i could see some consern as you strech out there.  mk

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I agree that the 22-250 is an excellent choice for coyotes at that distance...In fact with it sighted in at appox 220yrds you can hold dead on from 0-250yrds.and expect to hit.  There is also nothing at all wrong with the 223rem. for that distance.  I do recomend a scope in the power range of 2x-10xor 3x-10x variable.  Though I have taken coyotes at long distances a high percentage of them are 200yrds. and under. Try to focus on a gun that you can manuever with easily and are confident with...Confidence in your load and rifle can account for more success in the field than any accessory you can add to it.  Fear the man with one rifle.....he's probably extremly good with it....Good hunting

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