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I have loaded Varget with .204 & .22-250, with good results. I have 2 lbs. of Benchmark-never used. Does anyone know the difference between the two..guess I could load it & shoot it 1st, but thought I'd ask here as well...

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I guess I don't know the difference, but Varget works great in my 22-250s, and the Benchmark works great in my .204s. I haven't done visa versa yet though. If your asking if you might get better or worse results, you'll never know unless you try it.

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Well, I will give it a try in my 204. I will call Hodgdon as well. Just got a chronograph, so maybe there is a velocity difference. I'll post info in a while. Thanx.

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  Just for info I was trying Benchmark and BL-C2 in my 204 one day and was regularly getting delay or hangfires with the BL-C2. I never did figure out why. I know it was good powder so I thought maybe the small rifle primer just wasn't enough primer for the BL-C2. Just my guess.
  Does anybody know why?
 

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BLC-2 Requires Magnum Primers.

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95 Benchmark (Hodgdon) 
96 BM2 (ADI) 
97 N201 (Norma) 
98 Brig 322 (Scot) 
99 AR2219 (ADI) 
100 H322 (Hodgdon) 
101 X-Terminator (Ramshot) 
102 2230 (Accurate) 
103 748 (Winchester) 
104 Reloader 10X (Alliant) 
105 BLC-2 (Hodgdon) 
106 AR2206 (ADI) 
107 2460 (Accurate) 
108 H335 (Hodgdon) 
109 TAC (Ramshot) 
110 H4895 (Hodgdon) 
111 2495 XMR (Accurate) 
112 AR2206H (ADI) 
113 Reloader 12 (Alliant) 
114 4895 (IMR) 
115 Brig 4065 (Scot) 
116 N135 (Vihtavuori) 
117 Varget (Hodgdon)

The burn rates are very different.

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If your going to use Benchmark out on a hot sunny day your load will change on you as the day gets hoter......... you have to keep Benchmark cool.
Varget will work the best out on a hot summer day if your PD hunting.

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Rick in Ohio wrote:

If your going to use Benchmark out on a hot sunny day your load will change on you as the day gets hoter......... you have to keep Benchmark cool.
Varget will work the best out on a hot summer day if your PD hunting.




 

I second that.  These non extreme powders are drastically effected by heat.

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Opossum; I shoot more BL-C2 than anything else, and have never had a problem with it.

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I was pretty sure Benchmark was an extreme powder?  http://www.hodgdon.com/extreme.html

I haven't had any problems with it.

-- Edited by VarmintSlayer at 18:54, 2008-04-22

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You're right VarmintSlayer, Benchmark is an Extreme powder.  My error.

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Opossum; I shoot more BL-C2 than anything else, and have never had a problem with it.




Norris, I always used BL-C2 in my 308 and it did very well until I tried Benchmark. I never had any trouble with BL-C2 either till I tried it in the 204.
Here's Benchmark in a 40XB 308  5 Rds @100 yds. It seems there's always a flyer.
 



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Hey go ahead and load some Benchmark up and stay out in a hot sun all day long and you will find out what it will do to your rifle.
I have seen what it will do first hand any you will never see me try it again.

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Rick & others,

Well, I was going to use the Benchmark for PD shooting & it was super hot last year , so think I will pass on that powder for this particular use. Good to know. And to Mr. OpossumMac, nice . 308 shooting. MY fliers look like a distant planet that may or may not belong to a certain solar system...as usual, great info & appreciated.

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Opossum; If that is a flyer, then I'd take it any day. Great grouping even counting the so called flyer. Also, not sure about your .204, but I always use Win. Small Rifle Primers with BL-C2 in both my .223rem. and have never had any problems at all. Have never used Mag. primers.

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  Norris, as I've got a limited amount of time to do load development before PD shooting I'm going to try Varget and H4895 with the 39BK and 40V-Max. Initially using CCI benchrest primers and after I establish a good load I'll try some mag. primers just to see if it has a positive effect. My first load is 27.5 grains of H4895 seating the bullet about .010 from the lands and if pressure seems tame I'll move up to Rick's load of 28.5 if accuracy improves in that direction. 

Rick, is the H4895 tolerant of temp change like Varget? 
  

CT10Ring, I've had that 308 40XB for about 15 years and would never part with it. It shoots so well you'd think it was a Savage. What I shoot mostly is factory ammo, (Federal Match with 168 grain Matchking) I use a kenetic bullet puller and knock the bullet out part of the way and re-seat the bullet so it's just kissing the lands and it'll shoot .4 or less all day long with regular cleaning. It's put a good bit of deer tenderloin on the table too.
 
  Some MatchKings do well on game and some don't but the 30 cal 168 & 180 Matchkings do very well and I had a 7mm 150 Matchking punch a pencil hole thru a doe and I almost didn't find her.    



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Terry, re the burn rates, on a relative basis, is the Benchmark a "bit" or more slower burning than Varget...or alot? What is the significance-less velocity, or is benchmark better for a 40g vs a 32g bullet in a .204, etc. I also have some Reloder 15X & H322-looking to use what I have on hand for the .204, .222 & .223, too.

Does anyone keep ammo in a cooler on super hot days- seems like a freezer pak & a cooler would not be a big hassle...

Opossum, that's a rifle to keep. I have a .308 bolt & will try your re-seating trick with my
Fed Match 168's.

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OpossumMcmuffin wrote:

  Norris, as I've got a limited amount of time to do load development before PD shooting I'm going to try Varget and H4895 with the 39BK and 40V-Max. Initially using CCI benchrest primers and after I establish a good load I'll try some mag. primers just to see if it has a positive effect. My first load is 27.5 grains of H4895 seating the bullet about .010 from the lands and if pressure seems tame I'll move up to Rick's load of 28.5 if accuracy improves in that direction. 

Rick, is the H4895 tolerant of temp change like Varget? 
  

CT10Ring, I've had that 308 40XB for about 15 years and would never part with it. It shoots so well you'd think it was a Savage. What I shoot mostly is factory ammo, (Federal Match with 168 grain Matchking) I use a kenetic bullet puller and knock the bullet out part of the way and re-seat the bullet so it's just kissing the lands and it'll shoot .4 or less all day long with regular cleaning. It's put a good bit of deer tenderloin on the table too.
 
  Some MatchKings do well on game and some don't but the 30 cal 168 & 180 Matchkings do very well and I had a 7mm 150 Matchking punch a pencil hole thru a doe and I almost didn't find her.    



-- Edited by OpossumMcmuffin at 04:49, 2008-04-24



The H4895 works good out on a hot prairie.
I shot a lot of it last year and it was over a 100*



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ct10ring wrote:

Terry, re the burn rates, on a relative basis, is the Benchmark a "bit" or more slower burning than Varget...or alot? What is the significance-less velocity, or is benchmark better for a 40g vs a 32g bullet in a .204, etc. I also have some Reloder 15X & H322-looking to use what I have on hand for the .204, .222 & .223, too.

Does anyone keep ammo in a cooler on super hot days- seems like a freezer pak & a cooler would not be a big hassle...

Opossum, that's a rifle to keep. I have a .308 bolt & will try your re-seating trick with my
Fed Match 168's.

-- Edited by ct10ring at 05:48, 2008-04-24



CT10Ring, I have a Cooper in 204 and found out from them that they use 26.5 grains of Benchmark with a 32 Grain V-Max for their test loads. I also discovered from them that their little one hole test groups that they ship with the rifles are fired at 42 Yards. Just thought you might like to try that load. 

Rick, That's great news to me on the H4895.   



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That's great info re Cooper's loads. I have a Cooper .204 - guess the load is on the test proof shot card, but didn't think to dig it out of the box. Duh. I did stop by Cooper & saw the 42 yd range. I was surprised, but they do often provide 1/8" groups, so guess that works, MOA-wise. I am going to sell the Cooper, though, as I have a Sako 75 that shoots well & got an AR .204. If you know anyone who wants to buy, let me know. Beautiful wood, fluted 26" barrel., 200 rds or so thru it, like new. Sell for 10% less than a new one, whatever that may be...I even had a custom bore cleaning rod guide made for it...shoots 1/2" or less with Hornady 32g factory. Safe is full & wallet is light.



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HI guys been member for year new to the forum Question about powder want to reload for the 204 for the first time was going to use Benchmark powder until i read about heat being a issue shoot mainly PD in SD what do you suggest

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Welcome to the forum Farmer.

I don't shoot a .204 so I can't help you.  As you can see this thread has suggestions for a lot of different powders.  Their succeptibility to heat is an issue. You stated you shoot PD's in South Dakota.  Does this mean you have or intend to shoot in SD?

If you have, what caliber were you shooting? What powder? Did you notice a POI change due to the hot weather?

If you have never shot in South Dakota before and any of your planned shooting is going to take place in July or August the use of a Hodgdon Extreme Powder is something to consider unless you have a way of keeping your loaded rounds cool.

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  Hey Farmer, and welcome to the forum. Look around in here and you'll find lots of threads about 204's and loads. There's been one just receintly with a lot of good load suggestions. 
  Rick-in-Ohio will answer here I'm sure, he's a 204 shooter and goes PD hunting.
     

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2Monkey,
I have been out to S.D. the last 5 years and am planing to go again this year in August.We shoot mainly 204 and been using 32 grain Hornady factory ammo $$$$$ !!!!! This is why I want to start reloading the 204. We also shoot 22-250, 243, and 17HMR. Last year we got into a new PD town and did a lot of sooting with a 22LR pistol.We had a lot of shots at 25 to 30 yards!!!!

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I was pretty sure Benchmark was an extreme powder?  http://www.hodgdon.com/extreme.html

I haven't had any problems with it.

-- Edited by VarmintSlayer at 18:54, 2008-04-22



   Thanks for that link VarmintSlayer. I had no idea there were that many extreme powders or what they were. There's a big following evidently of 204 shooters using H4895 with the 39 & 40 grains and I'm glad to know that it's an extreme powder as well as Benchmark.    

   CT10Ring, the Cooper load wasn't on the test target I got it from them over the phone. The fella said they didn't put the info on the test target because of liabilities. 



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2Monkey,
I have been out to S.D. the last 5 years and am planing to go again this year in August.We shoot mainly 204 and been using 32 grain Hornady factory ammo $$$$$ !!!!! This is why I want to start reloading the 204. We also shoot 22-250, 243, and 17HMR. Last year we got into a new PD town and did a lot of sooting with a 22LR pistol.We had a lot of shots at 25 to 30 yards!!!!



You will definitely save some bucks reloading your own, plus have the enjoyment of developing better shooting rounds.  I know what you mean about those 25 to 30 yard shots.  We always talk about bringing a 22 rimfire but never do.  Just shoot them with what we have.  

We like to blow their "lips" off.biggrinbiggrin

 



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2Monkey,
I have been out to S.D. the last 5 years and am planing to go again this year in August.We shoot mainly 204 and been using 32 grain Hornady factory ammo $$$$$ !!!!! This is why I want to start reloading the 204. We also shoot 22-250, 243, and 17HMR. Last year we got into a new PD town and did a lot of sooting with a 22LR pistol.We had a lot of shots at 25 to 30 yards!!!!



You will definitely save some bucks reloading your own, plus have the enjoyment of developing better shooting rounds.  I know what you mean about those 25 to 30 yard shots.  We always talk about bringing a 22 rimfire but never do.  Just shoot them with what we have.  

We like to blow their "lips" off.biggrinbiggrin



I shot a PD last year with my Glock 40cal ....... hit that dog right in the center of his head from 45yds away and I can still rememebr that sound it made. My buddy Jim told me I could hit it but I did.



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Rick in Ohio wrote:

2MonkeyProd wrote:

Farmer wrote:

2Monkey,
I have been out to S.D. the last 5 years and am planing to go again this year in August.We shoot mainly 204 and been using 32 grain Hornady factory ammo $$$$$ !!!!! This is why I want to start reloading the 204. We also shoot 22-250, 243, and 17HMR. Last year we got into a new PD town and did a lot of sooting with a 22LR pistol.We had a lot of shots at 25 to 30 yards!!!!



You will definitely save some bucks reloading your own, plus have the enjoyment of developing better shooting rounds.  I know what you mean about those 25 to 30 yard shots.  We always talk about bringing a 22 rimfire but never do.  Just shoot them with what we have.  

We like to blow their "lips" off.biggrinbiggrin



I shot a PD last year with my Glock 40cal ....... hit that dog right in the center of his head from 45yds away and I can still rememebr that sound it made. My buddy Jim told me I could hit it but I did.



Rick, I was ground hog hunting two years ago setting in my truck watching for a hog about 200 yards across a hollow. I caught a movement and a hog had raised up out of the cudzu about 15 yards in front of me and I put him out with a model 22 Glock as well. It was my closest kill on a hog ever.  



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Well, we are off the powder subject, but no prob...I have many good suggestions to try . Guess I will have to try different variations until I hit one. About handguns, are you fellows packing for snake control-I have thought about bringing mine-have yet to see a rattler, but think it is unusual....I did see a PD last year about 15 feet from the truck & threw an empty 22-250 case & hit him. Maybe my best shot of the year.


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Well, we are off the powder subject, but no prob...I have many good suggestions to try . Guess I will have to try different variations until I hit one. About handguns, are you fellows packing for snake control-I have thought about bringing mine-have yet to see a rattler, but think it is unusual....I did see a PD last year about 15 feet from the truck & threw an empty 22-250 case & hit him. Maybe my best shot of the year.



Now I have to ask this ....... did you kill that dog with that empty case ? biggrin

Just having some fun with you I hope you no that.



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don't recall, I was too busy laughing. Doubt that PD is still around, though....I would have shot him, but he looked like a bear in the scope & I got confused....smile.gif

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don't recall, I was too busy laughing. Doubt that PD is still around, though....I would have shot him, but he looked like a bear in the scope & I got confused....smile.gif



Your funny ! biggrin

You no your starting to sound like Smokepole now.  teevee.gif



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Terry, re the burn rates, on a relative basis, is the Benchmark a "bit" or more slower burning than Varget...or alot? What is the significance-less velocity, or is benchmark better for a 40g vs a 32g bullet in a .204, etc. I also have some Reloder 15X & H322-looking to use what I have on hand for the .204, .222 & .223, too.

Does anyone keep ammo in a cooler on super hot days- seems like a freezer pak & a cooler would not be a big hassle...

Opossum, that's a rifle to keep. I have a .308 bolt & will try your re-seating trick with my
Fed Match 168's.

-- Edited by ct10ring at 05:48, 2008-04-24



Benchmark is substantially faster. I usually try to use the slowest powder that will give me the velocity I want. This results in fuller cases and lower standard deviation. However I have had good results with fast powders. The bottom line is shoot what your gun likes. Fast and slow they all work.



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Rick, Seems we all have a sense of humor here, I'd say...

Terry, thank you. I have a chronograph on order. I will begin being more methodical in loading, shooting, recording results, and learning what works. If I understand correctly, the premise is to find a powder/load combo that causes all bullets to leave the barrel at the same time of the vibration / whip cycle, thus sending them all to the same spot on the target.




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Opossum; Were you shooting the delayed firing loads with BL-C2 in your Cooper with the soft firing pin?

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