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no I have not heard about any of the companies that produce reloading components going out of bisiness. If this is true, where is all  of their production going? According to our local gun shop, they are not receiving any components to sell. This statement does not make sense of supply and demand if the component companies are working 24 hours and 7 days a week!

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i think everybody is looking for the answer to this question.

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I'm hearing all components are going into new manafacture ammo, hornadys web site says there overrun with orders and are only supplying their wholesalers, and my local guy says orders put in today wouldnt be filled untill 2010. The reason was simple democrat in office, talk of all kinds of new bans. tax increase on ammo and micro stamping and balistic finger printing all led to a panic snatch and grab of anything that went bang!

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http://grantcunningham.com/blog_files/1f0a89deff589f5706c99bd0d0984930-512.html
Supply chain managment.... makes alot of sense.
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I think its going to be a blood bath for the Democrats next time we go to vote.

Yes we are seeing change just like Obama said we would see...........and I think people eyes are starting to open up now to what he is doing to this country.




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I may be off base on this one, but the BATF is a large part of the problem. I know of several stores that have quite selling guns,and components, because of the way the BATF is doing business. They enter these stores and nit-pick their records to death.
I purchased a thousand CCI 250 primers the other day and almost fainted when they told me the price, it was twice the price that I payed the last time I purchased primers, $44.00 a thousand is a lot of money.
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The consensus of why this is a problem at all the gun stores I visit is OBAMA.  People fear what he and his henchmen will do in the future and are stocking up on guns and ammo.  Quite simply, the demand is higher than the supply.  Prices are high because of the laws of supply and demand.  Most components and ammo cost at least twice a much as they did about a year ago.  More people are starting to reload in response the the extreme price of factory ammo.

My local store says things are not as hectic today as they have been since November but that business is well above average. 

I have had some components on backorder for months and the predicted delivery date is now the first day of 2010. 

Some people think this is the result of a scare and that OBAMA will not do anything that we object to.  I think anyone who believes that is an idiot.  I believe OBAMA and his friends are the worst enemy of freedom that we will likely see in our lifetimes.  He has stated his goals very clearly and people did not listen and object.  Everytime he turns around he and his supporters are taking more power from the people and giving it to the federal government.  He is building a welfare society that is doomed to fail simply based on the historical record.  People are slowly waking up and I hope we can stop him and his blind believers before it is too late to preserve democracy.  History keeps repeating itself.  As Glenn Beck says, we are going through a very historic time and our grandchildren will ask us what did you do when this was happening.  Why did you not stand up for what is right?  We all need to do somethign about it.  People relate firearms ownership to the American concept of freedom.  Their concern is why components are rare. 

Think about it.  The threats of disarming the public are real and there are so many examples of how people in power abused their country with that as a first step that we should all be extremely alarmed.  Colorado is not planning to put a tax on getting approval to buy a gun.  The power to tax is the power to destroy. 

Sorry for the rant but I firmly believe that our way of life is in great jeopardy.  The CHANGE we see is not in the right direction.  Socialism is not good.  It hasn't worked well anywhere it has been tried. 

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Well said,Jon!!!

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Blame Obama and the all the Dems. for the lack of ammo and reloading suppliesand you  would be correct in a small way.
 A year ago I made a post about this and every body said I was crazy and it wasn't going to happen.
  Check all the ammo companies and compent  companies and see how many are working 24 /7 tring to keep up none of them are . Why they are playing the Obama game and blaming every thing on him and his party. They work Monday thru Friday ,normal hours  and they have not increased production  one bit.  They can't drive up the price if they they are making more product now can they. 
    We need to make change,   Jim



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Day Shooter, et al,  

I know this forum is not meant to be political but I believe the answer to this topic is very much political and very relevant to all of us. 

Please note that I did not ask Obama what he thinks I should think and say, like apparently so many people do, because I think for myself instead.   

I believe I read your earlier post , and gave it a great deal of thought, and it made a lot of sense in explaining the parameters that the component industry has to deal with, which added up to me,  but I am looking at why the demand is higher than the supply.   The supply appears to be at a maximum in accordance with what the industry is able to produce without a massive restructuring which would take years and a lot of money that they are apparently not willing to invest.   The supply, based upon the existing infrastructure,  used to be more than adequate, up until last November,  and the only thing that has changed is the political situation which I believe is what has made the demand skyrocket. 

Industry cannot keep up.  Technically, there is inadequate production to meet demand.  That is somewhat academic.  The real issue is that the political situation scares the hell out of a lot of decent people.  That is the bottom line reason for the scarcity of components.   I do not expect the political situation to change for several years.  I fear for the long term well being of our country and the world if the political situation does not change soon. 

If the demand is higher than the supply, then the items are scarce and the price goes up accordingly.  That is simple economics.  That is what we all see when we go to the store.  Mainly empty shelves and inordinately high prices.

I am not aware of anything but the fear of restrictions on second ammendment rights and more significanty a very legitimate associated fear of abuse of government power that would drive up the demand more than it was a year ago.  Are you?   Seriously, there are less hunters every year, shorter seasons, actually less crime by some indicators.  Certainly most people have less money to spend on anything discretionary.   Why are people demanding significantly more guns and ammo?  We do not have a significant fear of any foreign power, we fear ourselves and our government.  People need to admit this and address it as a very important issue in our society.  

We reserve the right to defend ourselves against our government.  A first step in exercising our right is stocking up on guns and ammo.

I would do all the pro gun groups a big service if they quit defending their right to bear arms as a constitutional right and instead pointed out the crystal clear logic that firearms ownership is part of the god given right to protect and defend ourselves, especially against government.  The government is not a sacred cow.  The government is not GOD.  No matter how much the press and the politicians support this by their attitudes and actions, the government is not GOD.  I am not looking for he government to manage my well being, tell me what to think, or speak in my interests. 

I am very offended when government officials portray themselves as being anointed to take charge of my life.  I am sure you can make your own specific list of politicians who act that way.    The most aparent reason the government would like to disarm  us is to increase their power over us.  History shows us this example many times over.   Objecting to how our government works is not out of line.  Objecting to the smug and non-responsive way of life in DC is more than appropriate.  What needs to change is the stupidity of our federal government leadership.   That is the key issue in our lives today.  This is not really unique to any political party. 


We are all well aware that our founding fathers put a great deal of thought in protecting american citizens from all potential for tyrany and enabled them to protect themselves from government abuse of power.  I believe we are watching significant power grabs by the federal government and most people are too apathetic or stupid to see this, care and object.  The welfare state is on its way back.  I also believe that there are a lot of people who are downright criminal in nature, as defined by our myriad laws and perhaps more importantly by our christian ethics,  who are helping the government along.  The point of this post is that I think we may be seeing the beginning of an uprising of objection to these people and that is all a part and parcel, in fact it is the guts of this issue.

Some  people suggest it is the two wars that is the cause of the component scarcity.  I can not say that is true or false but it does not add up to me because we have been in the two wars for several years and my take is that there is no big change in military demand unless because of the anticipated drop in troops in Iraq, there may be some lessening of demand.  There were plenty of components available to all of us before Obama took power.  I do not believe the two wars are a significant factor in the scarcity of components. 

A lot of us saw this comming and stocked up.  I am one such person.  I am not happy about that, I am distressed. 


I will not make any apologies for my disgust with the way the federal government is doing things without any concern for our constitution and the principles that this nation has always stood for and the continual erosion of personal liberty for the sake of CHANGE.  I firmly believe that government is best which governs least. 

Put simply, the federal government continues to grab power and control in the name of their new messiah at the expense of everyone's liberty.  Congress is his puppet.  Many of the people are his puppets.  Some are his partners in crime.  But he is only the flavor of the day for the enduring erosion of liberty.   The critical issue for all of us is how many people object and will fight to stop the idiots.  In the present situation, the  government is attempting to reorder our lives in massive amounts on different fronts simultaneously.  I think because they believe you and I cannot react fast enought to stop them because of all the massive confusion they have deliverately created as a smoke screen to their intentions.  The plan is to pull off all the CHANGE before we can organize to object.   Their methodology and political platforms have not worked well anywhere they have been tried in recorded history and similar tactics and power mongering have always resulted in tremendous negative social upheaval, poverty, wars and destruction.  By our absurd government spending, we are enslaving our country to debt for generations.  What nobody wants to say in public is that the last time the economy went as bad as it is today, and the government spent so much, taxed and spent, borrowed and spent, what brought us out of it was WWII.  I believe Americans are extremely naive about what may be right around the corner.  

I occasionaly hear some well intended person say that this scare will all blow away, that it is really unfounded, and things will go back to normal in a few months.  Just wait awhile and things will go back to normal.  I submit that the specific goals of the majority in government include not going back to normal but instead going forward to exercise more control over our lives and further erosion of our ability to manage our own welfare and I do not think that is good.  We are in the midst of some historic changes. 

But, I am probably preaching to the choir.  Sorry if my emotions come out to strong.   

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Great thoughts, Jon,simple ,common sense words.
But what do I know?I am just part of that red neck mob the President and his lap dogs in the press call us common Americans,because we will not go quickly and quietly to the slaughter. no GOD BLESS AMERICAsmile

I saw this man for what he is, a Marxist radical who hates traditional American values,work ethic and independance. disbelief



-- Edited by Shanedog on Monday 24th of August 2009 10:27:09 AM

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 Jon  I am sorry if you misunderstood  what I was saying. I really hope that you don't think that I support Mr Obama.
  I spent 23yrs in the army fighting for this country
  I am a life member of the NRA
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  I joined VHA because I wanted to share my passion with other hunters and shooters
   I won't trouble you again ,I will leave this site and VHA as of today.
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Hey Jim, Don't give up now. If everyone on here thought exactly the same it wouldn't be worth the time to sign in. I didn't think Jon meant to offend you. Your thoughts did not seem to be that far off. It may take some time for this all to shake out,but I think somewhere along the line this mess we're in will get cleaned up. Elections do come around. Again, hang in there with us please. GH2

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Hey Jim
Please dont leave the site,I do not think that Jon was directing his comments at you. I understand what you were saying,and I did not take it that you were a supporter of the President at all.smile
But even if you were a supporter,we would not want you to leave the site,all input is good for honest disscussion and debate,as long as we are all respectfull of each other. And you had a valid point regarding the suppliers using Obama as the bad guy to increase sales,and as an owner of a buisness,I can understand that.

I think Jon's post was focused at all of us on this site to wake up and see what the progressive movement is doing to traditional America.no

Now get out there and zap some varmints,and post some pics. of your guns and stuff.biggrin


-- Edited by Shanedog on Tuesday 25th of August 2009 06:27:58 AM

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Jim,

I am definitely not taking aim at you personaly and apologize if I created that impression. I do not expect everyone to agree with me and welcome other opinions. I am hard over about defending what I think are the basic values, rights and responsibilites that I think go along with being a citizen of this country and I am very frustrated with what I see being put forth by our current leadership. Sorry if I appear to be overly emotional. I just simply continue to grow more and more frustrated.

I joined the Air Force when I was 17 and worked for DOD over 35 years.

This site is not meant to be a political forum, and I mentioned that above. But I think a lot of us are very concerned about what is happening to our country, what is attempting to be done, and as most of us are NRA members, we are all aware that the battle to defend freedom as we know it is never over.

Please do not take personal offense to anything I have blurted out.

Thank you,

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   Can you believe it,I walked into Cabela's(Hamburg) last week and found 12 1lb canisters of varget on the shelf.I took 6 and left the rest for someone else.There was however not a primer to be had.Maybe when everyone is stocked up the demand will drop and once again supplies will be available.

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Try the site below.  This is a small shop in KY.  They may not have huge quantities but usually have decent quantities.  Powder is plentiful right now.

www.rivertradersg.com

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